tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544609315733972726.post4266737849849451803..comments2023-10-15T10:05:41.443-06:00Comments on OpenOffice.org Ninja: Multiplatform OpenOffice.org 3.0 BenchmarkAndrew Zhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10108637160465346326noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544609315733972726.post-56335538135286754222009-08-02T22:28:54.456-06:002009-08-02T22:28:54.456-06:00"You mean the way Windows incorporated the GU..."You mean the way Windows incorporated the GUI into the kernel, thus making even the simplest of applications capable of crashing the entire system??? Yeah, *real* great advancement there, pal."<br /><br />I have 3 computers running Windows in my home that are used on a daily basis, and the last time one of them crashed was 3 years ago, and it wasn't even Windows' fault since it was caused by a hardware failure.<br /><br />Linturd must be a POS seeing how you need to post made up BS about other OSes to defend it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544609315733972726.post-48204742403609783582009-06-23T09:57:12.553-06:002009-06-23T09:57:12.553-06:00When I benchmarked OpenOffice.org/StarOffice years...When I benchmarked OpenOffice.org/StarOffice years ago I measured differences between Linux and Windows. There were differences between both operating systems regarding resolution of application symbols on operating system layer. On the other hand video drivers and video driver versions can make a big difference if you do a benchmark run. Cold start and warm start measures should be compared as well because you will measure the difference of cached symbols vs. real application start. Regards, JoostAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544609315733972726.post-3580636872699691442009-04-06T10:55:00.000-06:002009-04-06T10:55:00.000-06:00Anonymous (April 6): I could not test Go-oo on Win...Anonymous (April 6): I could not test Go-oo on Windows because of a critical bug. The article explains this in more detail.Andrew Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10108637160465346326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544609315733972726.post-13859332950026977542009-04-06T07:12:00.000-06:002009-04-06T07:12:00.000-06:00You tested Go-Oo on Linux, but why not on Windows?...You tested Go-Oo on Linux, but why not on Windows?<BR/><BR/>It would only have made sense as far as comparison goes for this test. I just have always been curious about the performance difference of Go-Oo between Windows and Linux because I believe Novell primarily codes on Linux.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544609315733972726.post-76298207191803261842009-04-03T12:55:00.000-06:002009-04-03T12:55:00.000-06:00Sorry, I don't want to appear as "anonymous". The ...Sorry, I don't want to appear as "anonymous". The last comment was from me, Mathias Bauer.<BR/><BR/>"noscript" obviously disabled the field for names. Now I fixed it.Mathias Bauernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544609315733972726.post-46927414022409182602009-04-03T12:52:00.000-06:002009-04-03T12:52:00.000-06:00Andrew, the performance improvements in 3.1 are ra...Andrew, the performance improvements in 3.1 are rather occasional fixes. The "real stuff" will happen in 3.2 and later.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your measurements, it looks like a lot of work you have done here.<BR/><BR/>Just a remark: when we applaud the PPA version for being faster because it profits from libraries loaded by the system, we shouldn't call the same thing in MSOffice "cheating". Both are just using their home field advantage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544609315733972726.post-21604832685022832232009-04-02T06:40:00.000-06:002009-04-02T06:40:00.000-06:00Good stuff. And it's obvious that Windows needs an...Good stuff. And it's obvious that Windows needs an AV, just ask anybody.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544609315733972726.post-16972259019227097082009-04-01T12:51:00.000-06:002009-04-01T12:51:00.000-06:00Who said that "if a virus scanner were in place, i...Who said that "if a virus scanner were in place, it would not be a realistic comparison"? Actually, it would have been <I>more</I> realistic, since it is recommended forcefully to have anti-virus installed on Windows.<BR/><BR/>I was forced to install intrusion detection on my work machine, and it has a noticeable impact on compiling (for example).<BR/><BR/>ChrisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544609315733972726.post-80719240737124731582009-04-01T12:43:00.000-06:002009-04-01T12:43:00.000-06:00Nope, you're reading it wrong Anon. Not programs y...Nope, you're reading it wrong Anon. Not programs you use all the time, but programs you use first. The aim of the layout.ini is to reduce the time Windows takes in a boot benchmark. <BR/><BR/>If you're lucky and only use one or two programs (that probably have to have preloaders) it will probably help you. <BR/><BR/>Probably. But otherwise it speeds up boot at the expense of programs you use all the time.Robertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544609315733972726.post-90636825153865975962009-04-01T06:45:00.000-06:002009-04-01T06:45:00.000-06:00Yeah those cheats, how dare they improve startup p...Yeah those cheats, how dare they improve startup performance of the apps you use all the time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544609315733972726.post-50488078864812962572009-04-01T01:56:00.000-06:002009-04-01T01:56:00.000-06:00Startup is likely to be faster on Windows because ...Startup is likely to be faster on Windows because with XP and even more with vista Microsoft started cheating in the startup benchmark game. The OS remembers which programs are accessed during boot in the %SystemRoot%\Prefetch\Layout.ini file. It then automatically defragments them into the best position for fast access and so fast boot and startup times.<BR/><BR/>It's a rather sneaky trick as many of those files won't be needed again until the next time the system reboots.<BR/><BR/>PS: Be honest, an enhanced version of WORDPAD not notepad.Robertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544609315733972726.post-50879800487999794662009-03-31T20:26:00.000-06:002009-03-31T20:26:00.000-06:00Jonathan: I haven't yet tried preload but I will c...Jonathan: I haven't yet tried preload but I will consider testing it as I continue this series on performance.<BR/><BR/>Anonymous: No, I didn't use a virus scanner. While it's true most Windows users have one, each scanner has its own performance profile, so there is not a fair choice to pick any individual scanner. As much as possible, I used default settings everywhere, and I performed no optimizations to the OS or application.Andrew Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10108637160465346326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544609315733972726.post-64851365948097403572009-03-31T18:07:00.000-06:002009-03-31T18:07:00.000-06:00Does the Windows environment have a virus scanner ...Does the Windows environment have a virus scanner installed? If not this is not a realistic comparison.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544609315733972726.post-88130940514370088792009-03-31T17:16:00.000-06:002009-03-31T17:16:00.000-06:00Did you try Ubuntu with preload installed?Did you try Ubuntu with preload installed?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544609315733972726.post-78820810052331407852009-03-31T15:35:00.000-06:002009-03-31T15:35:00.000-06:00tulcod: The test document is about 15 pages, so 0....tulcod: The test document is about 15 pages, so 0.5 seconds per page is reasonable. Try it yourself on any word processor by pressing the down arrow. (The exact document is linked, so you can try the same document.) The key press in the test was simulated at the OpenOffice.org level using the OOo API (not the keyboard/hardware/operating system level), so I assume it's not affected by OS differences like a keyboard setting.<BR/><BR/>mikeleib: Minimizing noise is important. When I first started benchmarking OOo, I tried various cold start simulators (like flushing the cache) that yielded inconsistent results. Once I switched from simulations to real reboots, instantly my results showed low variation. All my data is shown in the box plots above, so you can see how consistent it is. When writing this article, I didn't repeat any tests not shown here (for example, if I thought the data was inconsistent). Yes, I also sleep a moment after the desktop starts to let it "cool" (which seems to be most important on Windows). I've started writing <A HREF="http://katana.oooninja.com/w/benchmark_guidelines" REL="nofollow">benchmark guidelines</A> which may help you? <BR/><BR/>Yonah: I blame the open source drivers for my Via Unichrome IGP. It can't handle Compiz at all, and it struggles with Warzone 2100 (3D game). However, I am fairly confident the only test significantly affected by the video drivers is scrolling.Andrew Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10108637160465346326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544609315733972726.post-28124562682143262542009-03-31T14:30:00.000-06:002009-03-31T14:30:00.000-06:00Well, nobody want to say it...OpenOffice is faster...Well, nobody want to say it...<BR/>OpenOffice is faster on Windows.<BR/>Videos drivers could be an explanation for the scroll. But what about the startup ?<BR/>Any idea ?Obinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544609315733972726.post-66494955256498117062009-03-31T13:39:00.000-06:002009-03-31T13:39:00.000-06:00> Yonah said...> Scrolling or any other v...> Yonah said...<BR/>> Scrolling or any other video<BR/>> operation in Linux is slow as hell due<BR/>> to the continued use of the antique "X<BR/>> Window System". Every other modern OS<BR/>> has made the GUI a part of the kernel<BR/>> for speed and efficiency...<BR/> <BR/>You mean the way Windows incorporated the GUI into the kernel, thus making even the simplest of applications capable of crashing the entire system??? Yeah, *real* great advancement there, pal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544609315733972726.post-2579540753804857482009-03-31T12:50:00.000-06:002009-03-31T12:50:00.000-06:00Scrolling or any other video operation in Linux is...Scrolling or any other video operation in Linux is slow as hell due to the continued use of the antique "X Window System". Every other modern OS has made the GUI a part of the kernel for speed and efficiency, Linux has not. Though Apple uses a Unix core, they dumped the old Xorg in favor of their own, better designed system.<BR/><BR/>Yes, you desktop composition systems like "Compiz Fusion" can speed up moving windows that have already been constructed, but all other operations including window resizing remains slow because it still relies on X.Yonahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544609315733972726.post-15846628000434302442009-03-31T12:29:00.000-06:002009-03-31T12:29:00.000-06:00In prior experience, I found that getting meaningf...In prior experience, I found that getting meaningful numbers for cold-boot startup time took many, many iterations. On my experiments, I ran an order of magnitude more iterations to get the jitter under control. Variances of over 2 seconds were observed in cold-boot startup time. Additionally, I found that a cool-down time of a few seconds decreased the variability of the startup times. That is, after the desktop boots, sleeping for a few seconds to let the system "cool down."Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17275091745335567478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544609315733972726.post-18072590667977429912009-03-31T12:15:00.000-06:002009-03-31T12:15:00.000-06:00"...to take 7 seconds just to scroll from the top ..."...to take 7 seconds just to scroll from the top to the bottom?"<BR/><BR/>I suspect you did not read the post very well. It was a simulation of someone clicking on the down arrow a bunch of times. A human couldn't even click the darn button fast enough to do that. Arguably that test was not very useful anyway. What if the Windows version moves more in a single click than the Linux version? We have no way of knowing...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544609315733972726.post-58490881414791516312009-03-31T11:42:00.000-06:002009-03-31T11:42:00.000-06:00I the difference in Linux and Windows in the scrol...I the difference in Linux and Windows in the scrolling benchmark is due to differences in the video drivers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544609315733972726.post-4003475199817915002009-03-31T09:37:00.000-06:002009-03-31T09:37:00.000-06:00Enhanced version of notepad? Ha ha ha, you crack m...Enhanced version of notepad? Ha ha ha, you crack me up.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03522257733071724242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8544609315733972726.post-45844100850192411212009-03-31T09:14:00.000-06:002009-03-31T09:14:00.000-06:00"performed well"? What? You mean it's okay for an ..."performed well"? What? You mean it's okay for an enhanced version of notepad to take 8 seconds to open a freaking text document? to take <B>7</B> seconds just to <I>scroll from the top to the bottom</I>?<BR/><BR/>ALL versions of openoffice performed, and still perform, TERRIBLE, but out of all that shamefulness, PPA seems to be <I>not the worst</I>.tulcodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04769065376826586435noreply@blogger.com